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PES 2016 and the Delayed Roster Update

Asim’s thoughts on PES 2016’s roster update saga…

UPDATE: 29/10/2015

So the data pack/roster update is now out, but the transfers are only accurate up until 30th August. That means any moves made by players on 31st August and 1st Spetember (window closed at 6pm in the UK) are not present in the game. Even taking out the fact that the update has come almost six weeks after the release of PES 2016, this is (as I said originally) completely unacceptable for a modern sports game. High profile transfers like Anthony Martial to Manchester United (one of the licensed teams in the game) are not reflected with this update. There are plenty more too. Someone told me 99% of the transfers are correct (still not an acceptable figure), but given that many deals happen on the last two days around the world I’d imagine that’s not accurate at all.

As I type this I’m being bombarded with tweets from unhappy people (paying customers), and I completely understand their frustration. In fact, I’m with you guys in acknowledging that this is inexcusable. I’ve been vocal about PES 2016 being very good (it still is), shouting from the virtual rooftops about it, so it’s only fair an issue/blunder like this be highlighted as well. It’s a crying shame given the quality of the game, but it’s seemingly minor things like this that make it hard for many people to transition from FIFA to PES. Whatever you think about EA’s game, they are always on point with stuff like this.

There’s this perception that Konami are the bumbling fools whereas EA are the professional ones. With incidents like this happening regularly, it’s hard to argue with that sentiment. It’s frustrating though as I know many hard working people at Konami, yet this type of thing impacts them and (more importantly) the product negatively. It’s sad to say, but until issues like are sorted and not seen as the norm, very few people outside the hardcore PES fan base will take it seriously as an alternative to FIFA. Harsh, but true.

ORIGINAL: 27/10/2015

Note: This is purely an opinion piece on PES 2016’s delayed roster update. It’s not about the quality of the game. If you want to read my review it, please click here. Finally, I shouldn’t need to state this, but I will. All thoughts are my own and influenced by no other individual(s). 

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As I sit in my room writing this, on 25th October, it’s been more than a month since the release of PES 2016 in the UK. Five weeks and two days to be exact. In the gaming world that is a long period of time. Since its release, Ubisoft has launched another Assassin’s Creed (with two day one patches), plus Rock Band and Guitar Hero have made a return. Oh and Halo 5 is about to come out. See, told you, it’s a long time in this industry. However, when it comes to PES 2016, Konami has yet to release a patch that would update the severely out of date rosters in the game. That, even if you love the series, is bitterly disappointing and (to put it bluntly) inexcusable.

Konami announced the delay to the roster update a week after PES 2016 launched, stating it will be available 29th October, on (wait for it) the same day FIFA 16 (their direct competitor) came out in the UK. You couldn’t make it up. Unbelievable. I remember the day vividly as my Twitter notifications went crazy, with angry fans tweeting me all sorts. There was plenty of abuse, mainly because I’m close to the series and someone who works on the game, but I chose to (mostly) brush that to one side. It’s the Internet after all. That’s not the point of this piece though. I’m not here to say some of the tweets and posts were unacceptable (they were), it’s more about giving my opinion on the situation after the streams of boiled piss have mostly come to a halt.

The abuse aside, I can actually understand people’s anger. It’s not the end of the world or anything, but I can understand. Buying any sports game, let alone PES 2016, and having to play with a year old rosters for over a month is just something that should not be happening. FIFA 16 had a downloadable roster update available immediately, even its trial version. NBA 2K16 features a newly designed court/arena that hasn’t been officially shown in a competitive league match yet! It’s crazy. In a world where day one updates and patches are commonplace, paying customers shouldn’t have to wait this long. It shouldn’t be any more complicated as a team doing all the necessary transfers and then pushing them out on live servers for everyone to download. Done, but that’s not the case here.

Worse of all it hinders enjoyment of the game’s main single player mode, Master League. I know many people (me included) who are still waiting to start their campaign because of this huge delay. It’s infuriating because the game itself is so good. Currently sitting pretty with an 88 Metacritic score, PES 2016 deserves all the praise it’s received (I love it too), but this situation leaves a sour taste in the mouth of fans across the world. This is why people, fans and paying customers are angry. Sure, you can go into edit mode and do all the transfers yourself, but you shouldn’t need to. You can understand the situation with kits, it’s Konami locked out of licenses by EA. That’s fine. The community gets that; hence the great work from sites like PES World and PES Universe. This roster update thing, well, it’s something else entirely.

What’s the deal then? What exactly happened? Well, it’s hard to know for sure. Right now, the majority of fans think it’s down to a lack of planning on Konami’s part. I’ve seen the “typical Konami” line on Twitter and forums probably around a few thousand times now. It’s a shame to see that sentiment being thrown around by people, but it’s justified. How can you look at what’s happened with the roster update delay and think anything else given Konami’s recent history with PES? The simple answer is you can’t. Given the game was released in November last year with a day one update, the lack of planning theory makes the most sense to me. Perhaps it’s as simple that. It sounds silly, but maybe someone forgot the game was launching a couple of months earlier this year. If so, that’s poor. It’s a strange one though, because when I was reviewing the game I was told there would be a day one roster update. That would mean something went wrong between then (shortly after gamescom) and the launch of PES 2016. Hmm, this could be a case for Mulder and Scully.

The other theory is that it’s some sort of technical issue in regards to how the data works. Personally, I don’t think that’s it, but if it is then someone at Konami needs to pipe up and make the update process a simpler one. Seriously, as I said earlier, it shouldn’t be any more complicated than a team updating data at their end and then pushing it through the public servers. It’s how all modern sports games work! That’s why, whatever the reason, it’s inexcusable. Hopefully someone at Konami knows what the issue is now. If so, whether it’s a simple mistake or technical issue, they need to make sure it doesn’t happen again with PES 2017. Delay the game if need be. Just don’t make the same mistake twice. Oh and if it does, don’t use the gameplay quality as a shield to hide behind and deflect amateur-looking mistakes like this.

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  • M.CJC

    They have to work on the shooting system. The speed of a shot is onrealistic fast and the directions are to much the same. Shots are like gunshots in pes. Every shot on goal must be unique and different, so please konami do something about it!

  • kamlesh gk

    I think Konami screwed up. But then its not much of a big deal to me.

    For 1 month, I totally enjoyed PES 2016 by playing the Copa Liberitidores and Konami League by adding all the Latin American teams.
    The Latin American teams especially the Brazillian teams are super hard to play against in Super level (the top most).
    And the Portuguese-Brazilian commentary is soooooo much fun when i (Mexican team) visit Brazil.

    So much fun.

    Now when the update is being downloaded as i type, i will download the PTE patch and start my European Adventure!

    Perspective and some flexibility, i guess helps :)

  • farhanishak

    I don’t understand why the Online Teams can be fully updated unlike the Offline Teams. Attached is a screenshot of a Seasons Online game I had against Man Utd on 27 October. It clearly shows Martial is in the team.

  • VnCo CS1977

    Well said

  • Kahn

    They did not fix the gameplay either. Konami lied again. They said goalkeepers and referees will be fixed today. Nothing happened.
    It looks like the devs are not finishing their work and then they give sth incomplete to apologize in the next moment and winning time.
    But this is a hard fraud to the customers, because their advertisement was far different.

  • AsimT

    Not called you pathetic, what you’re saying and how you’re acting. A difference.

    I don’t have anything to answer to or have to justify myself to you. However, in the interest of being open, I’m do freelance writing for GamesRadar. I did the PES 2015 and PES 2016 reviews, hence I’m a “member”. The account was created by them as is the case with all other freelancers. They asked me to do their PES reviews for the last two years. I guess they see as an expert when it comes to PES/foootball games and like my writing style. I also wrote for CVG (before the site shut down), again as a freelancer. I’m on GamesRadar’s systems, and as they might as me to do other stuff in the future. The editor there is Justin Towell, feel free to speak to him and ask him if anything dodgy is going on. Andy Robinson was the editor at CVG, feel free to contact him too. Want to know my shoe size? Clothes size? What type of underwear I wear? What my sexual preference is? You’re looking for some stupid conspiracy that doesn’t exist. Better chance of finding Aliens.

    People are indeed entitled to their opinions, but this goes beyond that. You’re insulting me and my integrity, something I take very seriously. I have a right to respond to that.

  • AsimT

    Thanks, dude. Appreciate it.

  • Barry Mulligan

    There isn’t any conspiracy theory. It’s a game and your review was your opinion which you’re fully entitled to. Also, I’ve no interest in your personal life.
    The key word that you used was ‘integrity’. Yes, I have questioned yours. For someone in your position to and to keep your integrity in tact, should you really be reviewing what is fundamentally the living of a close friend? And that’s not for me to say, but it is my right to question.

  • Este19

    It would be bad enough if it was simply that the rosters were accurate as of 8/30. It would be very bad. Unacceptable, in fact.

    But it’s even worse than that.

    Ivan Perisic is a free agent in this patch. He was never a free agent this summer. He transferred from Wolfsburg to Inter.

    Felipe Melo & Alex Telles aren’t in the game at all. Not on Galatasaray (their old team), not on Inter (their new team), and not in free agents.

    So those are three mistakes affecting just one team, even if we don’t count at least 6 other 8/31 deals that aren’t reflected on Inter’s roster (Andreolli/Schelotto/Taider/Hernanes out, Ljajic/Biabiany in).

    That’s how messed up ONE TEAM is. Whoever said “99% of the transfers are correct” is ABSOLUTELY FULL OF IT.

  • Valentin Ionita

    game is ,at best, unplayable on PC in its most advertised mode: my club.
    if the game gets more lag and unresponsivness well see matches starting from minute 90 and going back in time to 1″.
    this is pure garbage and all the reviews are nothing but lies.
    might be okish offline but in myclub is a disaster at best.

  • Aggaz

    Talking about next year PES already they do this every year just stop being lazy bastards and get this one fixed

  • elvir kurtovic

    ME TO FIRST I PLAY 1998 KONAMI SO PLEASE ADD CROATIA LICANSED

  • AsimT

    Clearly there is. Well, with you anyway. You just need to look up and see that. It’s clear as day what you’re trying to do.

    Yes, integrity is a key word. I have no issue reviewing something a friend has worked on. Adam is not my only friend in the industry, I have a few that work at other publishers/developers too. I have reviewed many of their games and given good, mid-range and bad reviews. You see, when you’re a professional adult it’s not hard to separate the two. Question all you want, doesn’t make your claim or what you’re trying to claim valid.

    Anyway, I’m done with this conversation. Have a good one.

  • Barry Mulligan

    Well you clearly don’t know what I’m trying to do.
    I’m simply questioning your integrity and credibility, which in my opinion are things you don’t possess.
    For how many of your ‘friends in the industry’, do you run a fan site for? Actually, scratch that- I don’t care, I’ll let you continue your life being a ‘professional adult’.
    Pathetic

  • GariNGB

    How old are you? You sound like a little spoilt child and someone that needs to log out, turn off your computer and step outside. You sound like a very angry person that needs to (excuse my French) get their shit together.

    So apparently (according to you) we are running WENB for Adam, right? Clearly you do not have a clue what you’re talking about as I can guarantee you 1000% that Adam has nothing to do with WENB anymore. If you actually did your research rather than spout absolute nonsense, you would realise (like everyone else), that this isn’t the case.

    The amount of times you contradicted yourself is hilarious. You say that we run the site for Adam, yet you fail to see that Asim has (on many occasions) been very negative towards Konami with the issues with the data pack stuff for example being just one of many times he has. If Asim was working with Adam like you say he is, then surely he couldn’t be negative in any way. Yes, you failed to work that out didn’t you.

  • Holy Ghost

    I commend yor Sir Asim for being honest.. Thank you.. We need more people like you speaking the truth.. I have sadly had to buy fifa for the past 3 years.. Because I will not accept a version of pes which is not good enough.. I dont think fifa is the best.. Its just a better all round football experience than pes (at the moment & for the past 3 versions).. So sad that it has come to this.. Im a football fan 1st.. Not a pes fan.. But have been a hardcore pes/we fan from the very beginning.. I cant see a way back from konami.. I hope im wrong.. TOOAT..

  • Valentin Ionita

    playing myclub feels like you are having your hands with your controller submerged in tar.
    so unresponsive you could die.

  • 4trazzel

    The dribling system are too slow for the defenders in this game ….they’re moving like a straight bullet